TLC Podcast

TLC Podcast Episode 27: Ron Estefan on the Currency of Credibility in the Courtroom

2018-07-17T13:49:02-06:00 August 3, 2017|TLC Podcast|

Episode 27: Ron Estefan on the Currency of Credibility in the Courtroom "A lot of people have this sense that the voir dire is almost like a throwaway part of a trial. You get up there talk to these jurors, and some people just throw up their hands and say 'we're not going to learn anything from these jurors, they're not going to share with us anything that matters what we are doing here' and that notion can become prevalent if you allow it to. I overcame this by watching Gerry Spence and others who were using the TLC Methods and actually being apart of them doing it. I could see the quantum shift of how a voir dire should be [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 26: Zaki Zehawi on Criminal Defense: Fighting with Love

2018-07-09T15:15:41-06:00 July 1, 2017|TLC Podcast|

Episode 26: Zaki Zehawi on Criminal Defense: Fighting with Love "The one group of people that can treat you fairly are jurors. And we, as trial attorneys, if we lose the jury system, we are done. We are so done, and it's our job to find the fairness in the people to get them to do something just for our client. It's like Gerry Spence always says, we can never ask the jurors to do something we are unwilling to do. So if we can dig deep down and find some part of our client that we can love, and show that to our jurors, I think that's when we can find some fairness.." - Zaki Zehawi, 2009 TLC Grad [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 25: Chris Trundy on How to Tap Into Your Own Greatness in Trial Law

2018-07-17T17:06:09-06:00 May 25, 2017|TLC Podcast|

Episode 25: Chris Trundy on How to Tap Into Your Own Greatness in Trial Law "It was a real struggle for me, because I like to do things my own way, and going into courtrooms and watching people try cases when I first started trying cases, you would watch people try this formula, and they would ask questions the same way because that's the way the law firms taught younger lawyers and it was handed down and I would say 'why do you have to do it that way' and they would say 'because that's the way we do it'. So a lot of what I've really enjoyed with TLC is that it has really unleashed the ability to approach the practice [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 24: Kim Benjamin on the Fundamental Skills to Help Trial

2018-07-09T14:45:39-06:00 May 16, 2017|TLC Podcast|

Episode 24: Kim Benjamin on the Fundamental Skills to Help Trial "The more I attended the Trial Lawyers College, the more I was able to find those tools that helped me really develop the story and develop the defense, and then I was just thrilled and excited to go to trial in a criminal case because I found myself feeling so confident in my clients story and being able to present a defense and the same is now true in the civil work I have been doing lately. Through the Trial Lawyers College experience and learning how to use the psychodramatic tools we learn through the college, I am learning how get a better story from my client and bring [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 23: Better Lawyering Through Psychodrama with Pychodramatist Kathryn St.Clair

2018-07-09T14:17:18-06:00 May 12, 2017|TLC Podcast|

 Episode 23: Better Lawyering Through Psychodrama with Pychodramatist Kathryn St.Clair "This was Gerry's belief and it's written in his autobiography, but Gerry was apart of the 50's and 60's, the encounter movement. There was a lot of psychodrama used then. Gerry had found that very helpful in helping him discover who he was in a very powerful way. It was Gerry who said at the beginning stages, that to be a good lawyer you had to love your client and to love your client, you have to love yourself. Most lawyers don't know they've had it all taken away from them in law school. So it was he who started that expression. He believes very strongly that to represent [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 22: Greg Westfall, Criminal Defense Lawyer and TLC Faculty, on Racism and Victimhood in America

2018-07-09T13:30:44-06:00 April 30, 2017|TLC Podcast|

Episode 22: Greg Westfall, Criminal Defense Lawyer and TLC Faculty, on Racism and Victimhood in America "When you grow up with it around you, it's very easy to fall into those thoughts of racism and never be able to get out. You have to evolve. And being a trial lawyer forces me and others to evolve. Doing what we do at TLC has forced me to evolve. Like I said in the article, I am not perfect, but I'm trying. I can tell you that if we all tried, if we all seriously tried, then this situation is really solved at that point. As long as we are putting forth good faith effort on being better human beings, but for [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 21: Criminal Defense Lawyer, Don Malarcik, on the Most Powerful Forces in Trial

2018-07-09T13:00:37-06:00 April 23, 2017|TLC Podcast|

Episode 21: Criminal Defense Lawyer, Don Malarcik, on the Most Powerful Forces in Trial "It's very tempting to put up your defense mechanisms that we've all honed over for years and decades and to try not to feel. But you can't be effective in a death case, or any trial without feeling and being real. So, the Trial Lawyers College has given me the tools to do that in a healthy way. It starts with being open and honest with how I feel." "Being open and honest with the jury about what they experience, and more importantly giving them some tools to process it and experience it together as the trial unfolds, allows them to get through the first reaction of [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 20: Paula Estefan on Hostile Jurors, Empathy and Getting the Jury to Engage

2018-07-09T12:24:59-06:00 April 3, 2017|TLC Podcast|

Episode 20: Paula Estefan on Hostile Jurors, Empathy and Getting the Jury to Engage "I think we all are fearful of the hostile juror that starts talking about tort-reform but I've learned to embrace that person instead of either fighting them or running from them because those are really the 3 options you have; stop, listen, and stay with them, run from them, or fight them. I used to run from them and every once in a while I would fight with them or try to change their minds but that clearly was not the route to take. Going to TLC really made me stop and listen to what they are saying and stop thinking about my own agenda of trying [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 19: Colby Vokey on The Method of Bringing Your Client’s Story to Life

2018-06-26T14:55:37-06:00 March 28, 2017|TLC Podcast|

Episode 19: Colby Vokey on The Method of Bringing Your Client's Story to Life "I knew there was something wrong in the investigation, it just didn't fit. But at the same time, as I kept looking at all the statements from the marines, not one of them were coming up helping Shawn Blair. If they believed that Shawn Blair was getting this corporal to lie for him on what happened, then they are going to think he was covering up for this shooting and then they'll convict him of murder, and if they convict him of these things, all the other charges are going to fall too. I had to be able to tell the story of what happened and make the [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 18: Attorney Kent Spence & the History of the Trial Lawyers College

2018-06-26T14:37:08-06:00 March 25, 2017|TLC Podcast|

Episode 18: Attorney Kent Spence & the History of the Trial Lawyers College "It's all real because we are taking a story brought into dramatic action and it's brought to life in the courtroom as though it was a well-done movie. And the jury gets lost in the emotion of it just as you would in a movie. When they do they experience it. It takes them out of the courtroom and into the dramatic action of what the client went through. When that happens, it brings up in them, their own personal experiences they've had and a bonding happens, a group is formed, a tribe is formed with the jury. And they believe us because it's true, and they bond [...]

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